Does Anyone Remember Cindy Jackson

"Cindy Jackson has undergone a staggering 14 surgeries since 1987" She is SO quaint by today's standards. She used to be on all the talk shows and shock everyone with the fact she had a facelift AND lipo at the same time (horror!). She is looking more fake these days since she's 60 (the pic below isn't the most recent) - but still nothing like the monsters that have come after her. It is so odd to think back to the days when she was treated like a freak - and now she's like a model surgery patient who all these crazy cat women would've benefited from listening to (though her recent pictures are slightly feline).

I idolized her, and went on myself to have over 20 procedures by the ripe old age of 33. I had body dysmorphic disorder, exacerbated by Cindy’s story that if you change your looks, you can change your life and lead a very glamorous one, at that.

Now I look back on pictures before all the work and realize I wasn’t bad looking at all.

Wow - what did you have done before 33?

R2 Did you keep your cock?

Yeah, but does she have an ass like this?

Age 22 - 1st nose job

Age 25 - cheek implants, chin implant, fat transfer to lip

Age 27 - 2nd nose job

Age 29 - brow lift, upper eye lift

Age 30 - 3rd and final nose job

Age 33 - lower eye lift, canthopexy lift, mini face lift (did nothing but remove small amount of skin at jowls), liposuction of abdomen and love handles, pec implants, replace chin implant, add jaw implants (removed after infection)

Age 34 - eyebrow transplant, more liposuction

Age 36 - face lift

There were other smaller things, like fillers and skin peels, etc. Despite how it may seem, I don’t look like I’ve had work done, it was all done tastefully. I think I look like a better version of my original self.

Having said that, if I had the chance to do it over, I would have never done it and instead invested that money.

I’ve been happily married for the last 11 years, and have never returned to my obsession with my appearance. It’s very freeing.

^^^^Augh. Sorry, I’m not OP, I’m R2.

It’s past my bedtime.

I feel like it always starts with a nose job. Everyone I've known who has done a ton of procedures - they start with the nose.

Did your facelift accomplish anything at 36? I know MFLs barely do anything, but male facelifts are a gamble. Young seems risky, but maybe not. Do you have to shave differently now?

R8 well I had very lax facial skin — not from any large weight loss or anything, it was just genetic, typical of Scots-Irish skin. It made a huge difference, but sadly I now have to shave behind my ears because that’s how far it was pulled. I could probably use another one in 10 years or so, but as long as I’m happy and in a loving relationship, I have no desire to.

I will say I was teased mercilessly as a teenager about my looks, setting in motion a deep self hatred of my appearance.

I'd be curious to see a facelift on someone under 40. I think it could benefit people for structural reasons who have excess skin for their face (not through weight loss) - but almost no doc will do it. And the side burns can get weird.

I actually think the facelifts and nip-and-tuck procedures of previous decades produce better results than the fillers, botox, and horrible disfiguring cheek implants that are popular today.

A face lift or nip-and-tuck makes you look like a younger, tauter, or painfully stretched version of yourself, while today's fillers and implants make you look like a bloated parody mask of yourself.

I remember it was Barbara Walters being a huge cunt to Cindy Jackson that made me realize what a hateful old bitch she was.

i remember seeing her on a talk show and seeing the superficial mask slip, under the plastic veneer was rage.

she did improve her appearance, she went from white trashy looking frump to being attractive-only attractive, not beautiful.

What's it like to say goodbye to your old face? I guess by that point, you're so bothered by real or perceived flaws that maybe you're more excited than afraid.

I understand wanting to get rid of a neck waddle or baggy eyes, but tweaking your eye-shape and tugging at or adjusting features would be a scary proposition. I'd be sad to say goodbye to the old me and worried about the uncertainty of the outcome.

I do think she was stunningly gorgeous for quite a few years, hitting a peak around 2003 (pictured) when she was probably early 50s or very late 40s. She managed to hold back the years very well at the time. She'd had 3 major facelifts by this point, and maybe a couple of mini ones.

I saw one of her documentaries a few years ago and she seemed slightly aspieish. Seemed to both revel and be pissed off at the attention she got when not many people would look at her twice before surgery. She said men would pin themselves to her and her purse would be bulging with business cards at the end of the night. Also women would be catty and insecure when before they saw she was no threat to them.

[quote]I remember it was Barbara Walters being a huge cunt to Cindy Jackson that made me realize what a hateful old bitch she was.

Ruby Wax was also extremely mean and harsh with her. Joan Rivers loved Cindy Jackson because she was the real living version of the screenplay she wrote: "The Girl Most Likely To..."

She does look great in that photo at R17, but I can't imagine the great look lasted. She probably did something to fuck it up before long.

And yeah, even if I won the lottery and could afford all the plastic surgery in the world, I still wouldn't get it! I'm gotten used to looking like me.

[quote]i remember seeing her on a talk show and seeing the superficial mask slip, under the plastic veneer was rage.

Uh, care to elaborate, R15? Why do you think she would she be filled with rage?

If you don't mind sharing, R2/R6, how were you able to afford all of those procedures at such a relatively young age? Was it paid for by sugar daddies (which I imagine is how most of these plastic surgery addicts pay for it)?

Anyway, I find it tragic that anyone would ever hate their appearance enough to take such extreme measures. Glad to hear that you're past all of that.

She is looking fake nowadays.

What I always thought was interesting was how people were both upholding the cultural beauty standards while also being really rude to her for trying to do just that.

Walters and Wax are both from the old-school "real, intelligent women don't let themselves be manipulated by society" set, and they get sniffy if a woman does what they consider to be too much to look good. Hypocritical, really.

She's look much better with a softer hairstyle that frames her face better. Also as she doesn't look 35 anymore letting some of the botox wear off to let her face animate a bit more, especially the under eyes where she looks too pulled would be a good idea.

I believe her business during the 1990s was in London which aimed to counsel clients responsibly about what they should have done to their faces.

She'd accompany them to medical apts and to the hospital and through recovery. At the time she was considered a dangerous freak.

R20 my mom had died and left me a nice sum of money. I spent over $120,000 after it was all done.

[quote]i remember seeing her on a talk show and seeing the superficial mask slip, under the plastic veneer was rage.

Yes. Very angry and bitter person. She, as someone said above, seemed to both resent and encourage the people who judged her harshly. She was a bit of a provocateur.

That all said, she transformed herself and looked amazing. Correcting her underbite was the most impactful, I think. Kind of ironic as I don't consider that to be under the umbrella of plastic surgery.

Can't these dumb cunts just use tape?

ima 51 yr old man, I look 30, starting at 39 I had facelift, chin implants, brow lift.....then lip lift, nose job, cchemical peel......then another brow lift and face lift......then chin implant. I get botos/and restalyne once a year. all over 13 yrs...

plastic ssurgery is awesome my dears.....

I just cannot imagine caring enough to get this stuff done.

Especially now when botox, facelifts, etc are so familiar that they advertise your age--and that your lack of natural good looks.

If I had the money I'd have my face changed until I looked like a completely different person I've never liked this face and time hasn't improved it or my opinion of it.

Interview from the early 2000s.

Do people go to the surgeon and tell them what they want? I went to a plastic surgeon and I was rather surprised he didn't offer any recommendations to me.

That's supposed to be one of the signs of a good plastic surgeon r32. I don't recall where I read this, but it is said that if you go to a surgeon who starts offering helpful suggestions of what you should get done, run.

R33 that makes zero sense to me. I would think that a good plastic surgeon would have a very developed sense of aesthetics and what would be the most flattering changes for the patient, not just do whatever the client wants (Michael Jackson's surgeons were probably like the latter, and look how that turned out for him).

No one in their 50s can look like they are 30. They can look rested or smooth, but no one is fooled. Anyone who guesses your age and low balls it is being polite,

What does she do for the neck and hands?

You can put filler in your hands now (radiesse) and botox and filler in your neck lines. Or a full neck lift. Not sure what she does, but I've seen ads while waiting for...um... friends...

R21, it's kinda like how Morgan Fairchild and Jaclyn Smith both looked fantastic for years but then hit the wall and suddenly looked weird and oversurged. Likewise, Joan Rivers used to be an advocate of getting a subtle nip here and a tuck there. She looked really good too until she finally went off the deep end with the alien-looking cheek implants.

After a certain point you just have to say "enough" if you don't want to end up looking like a monster.

There is an episode of Penn & Teller Bullshit about the cosmetic surgery and beauty crazes of the 2000s, which features Cindy Jackson explaining her numerous procedures. Her segments are at 11.40 and 21:00 mins.

[quote]No one in their 50s can look like they are 30.

SOME people actually do, but they are like one in ten million.

Here's what I find interesting about Cindy. She had these procedures at a time when plastic surgery was technically less sophisticated than it is now. And yet I feel she looks better than many women who have had surgeries in the last few years. Could these modern methods actually be less effective than traditional plastic surgery?

[quote]Could these modern methods actually be less effective than traditional plastic surgery?

Yea I agree. People are choosing the wrong methods for the wrong reasons. Fillers are "cheaper" (in the short term - but not after many rounds) and easier to get and faster to recover from. So, people go for that. Someone with skin laxity who need a facelift will get convinced that injecting their loose skin with filler makes it look "lifted" or more youthful. Fillers are for facial volume loss (with many originating specifically for lipoatrophy). Using it for other stuff isn't good. E.g., One of the more idiotic ones is to fill in the pre-jowl area (which is very hard to lift) - which makes a lot of women look like they have a monster chin... not younger. But, this became trendy to fill this in now. On some female faces, I guess it looks ok. The same goes with nasolabial folds. We're supposed to have them. Faces without them are bizarre looking. You can't erase them with fillers or you look like an alien... but people try this now since it's easy to do....as is getting "cheek implants" from juvederm rather than having to go under anesthesia. This never looks entirely normal because it's gel, not something on the bone (and cheek implants are always a weird thing to get right - not so straightforward like a chin).

Also, it's so much more accessible and accepted....there's like now arms race among the Real Housewives for who can have the most prolapsed-looking lips. Ten years ago that wasn't going on. Well, the big boob / Pam Anderson thing was similar in a way, but among a different type of woman I guess.

Just my thoughts on it... and I'm bitter about all the money I've wasted on filler since the 2000s - and I barely even did much, but that shit adds up. Same with botox. A male face is $500 every 3 months now. I stopped doing that too. None of that idiocy made me more attractive. The ONLY thing that might have helped was filler in the temple area because hollow temples do look a little unattractive. The rest was a bunch of money I might as well have put in the fireplace.

If you keep getting fillers doesn’t your skin stretch and need even more fillers gradually throughout the decades? If so, your face will look like an over inflated beach ball eventually. I think Bitox will eventually be tied to heart issues. It paralyzes muscles. Your heart is a muscle.

Skin mostly is already stretched out due to age and sun. Fillers are actually very small amounts of typically 1-5cc (mL). That's like a teaspoon. (I'm talking about normal people - not the crazy ones though). The people who do all that silicone filling - who knows - they might have issues with skin sagging.

r20 I don't remember which talk show she was featured on but at one point a member of the audience accused her of being arrogant.

She turned and said: "ARROGANCE! Is believing people will accept you as you are"! She had a point and it's true, but she was ice cold furious when she said it.

I imagine she was rageful for the same reasons we all are, she wanted to be accepted for who and what she is, flaws and all. She spent a lot of money (and time recovering) on major surgery to gain the acceptance that was denied her with her natural looks. Funny thing is, after her surgery, I can imagine she was also rejected by people ( men and women alike) who don't go for the fake, blonde Barbie doll look! I imagine the sting of being rejected for who you are not ( naturally beautiful) stings less than being rejected for who you are naturally (very average to below average looking).

According to her story, she ran with a Eurotrashy crowd and never got the attention she wanted until she improved her appearance through multiple surgical procedures.

Ultimately she attracted men (one in particular) who previously ignored her.

Yes, her appearance improved greatly with her cosmetic surgical intervention and there's nothing wrong with any of this if you can afford the expense, the recovery time from major surgery and your surgeon knows what the fuck he is doing.

Compare her appearance ( in her prime) to the freaks these days who described themselves as real-life Barbie and Ken. Cindy was ahead of her time!

r21

Walters received significant surgical intervention ( and starved herself) throughout her lifetime and was in no position to look down on anyone.

That other "Human Barbie", Sarah Burge was kicked off Anderson's show in a rather humiliating fashion. Obviously not able to illustrate her points of cleverly as Cindy does when being interviewed. Goes instead for shock value. I still feel kind of bad for her here.

Ugh that woman in r47 is so trashy. Cindy was always pretty articulate and came across reasonably intelligent. Very few of these types seem to have much going on upstairs at all.

She was on the sally jessy show and talked about having fat from her ass put in her lips. Someone in the audience asked her if her breath smelled like ass now.

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